I am a PPC holder from 2013, and joined Nu/B&C from 2014 to 2015, Now I find that all the PPC related projects are not so successful, PPC is cheap, Nubit trade volume is low, How about Peerasset?
@Sunny_King, would you like to unite these community together rather than watching PoS community falling apart? Is that feasible to combine all the plans(including fixed supply gold standard PPC and stable currency projects, peerasset, and even decentralized exchange) into ONE ecosystem? Only united, can we win!
Some have taken my post below the wrong way, so please make sure you read the whole thing. You may want to read the original first and then come back to this addendum after. For starters, Sunny has not abandoned Peercoin, even though he hasn’t posted recently. I clearly stated within the text below that he is currently working on v0.6. He told us this just last month in a meeting we had. He is currently on the verge of starting testing.
Some have also misunderstood, thinking that Sunny doesn’t care about Peercoin. It’s not that he doesn’t care about Peercoin (he does). It’s that the entire community perceives Sunny to be the leader of this project, when he really isn’t. It is obvious through Sunny’s behavior over the years (which I describe below) that he has not actively taken the role of leader for himself, and I don’t think he ever intended for people to think of him in this capacity.
Unfortunately, because of his status as founder of the network, everyone mistakenly believes he is supposed to be the one actively leading the project. This mistaken belief causes people to be extremely disappointed when they don’t see Sunny out there being active and working with the community to come up with new solutions. Because people believe Sunny is supposed to be the leader doing all these things, they have it in their mind that he is not taking his leadership role seriously enough and that his lack of communication and participation in the community is acting as a huge roadblock to progress, leading to our network being left behind and surpassed by others.
The truth of the matter is that Sunny is much more like a mysterious figure who just keeps an eye on the core protocol and never had any intention of actively leading the project. He is just a community member who happens to be the inventor of the protocol. That is all, and I believe that is what people here need to start realizing. If you’re looking for leadership and a vision for this project to follow, you should start looking elsewhere. And as I’ve stated, there are active developers such as @peerchemist that have been leading for a while now. Everyone should take more notice of what they’re doing to help this project.
#Original Post
I am having trouble figuring out why everyone in this community is always looking toward @Sunny_King to lead us. To me, Sunny has made it abundantly clear that he has no desire to lead this project/community or to improve the tech beyond what it currently is and push it forward. I have dealt with him first hand for years, as well as others in meetings over the past year and this is the impression that we get. It almost seems like a hobby to him, rather than a mission of utmost importance like it is to all of us.
His total lack of communication with the community gives this away. People always want to make excuses for this by saying he must be off in secret innovating and designing grand plans for Peercoin’s future, yet nothing ever materializes. That is because he’s really not working on any secret groundbreaking tech related to Peercoin. From what we see, he has no ultimate plan. Sunny can disagree here with me this if he likes, but this is the impression that we all get based on the meetings we’ve had with him in the past year.
He’s most likely working his normal job and coding on the side only when he has time available. Why else did it take him two whole years to release v0.4 and another year to release v0.5 and yet another year to release v0.6, which isn’t even out yet? Keeping up with Bitcoin’s progress is the boring part of development, so disinterest on his part is probably also a likely factor, besides lack of available time for coding.
Practically every other network has surpassed our tech during this time while we all remained helpless waiting and hoping Sunny was working on something big. It took @hrobeers coming to our community last year and making us realize how utterly dependent we were as a community on a single person who barely took the time to communicate with us. Sure, Sunny does weekly updates, but most of his updates over the past year have left something to be desired, talking not about what he was personally working on and his progress with the next protocol upgrade, but instead about what everyone else in the community was working on. Lately his updates have been so inconsistent that the new dev team has had to start releasing its own updates.
And this doesn’t even include the fact that he makes absolutely no effort to reach out to his own community to discuss things that actually matter. He doesn’t answer questions on his weekly updates. He doesn’t work with us to come up with a development roadmap. He doesn’t talk or ask us questions about how we could improve the protocol. He doesn’t talk publicly with us in chat. He has never come to the community about trying to find more developers to speed up development, (we had to bring it up). He shows up when there is a technical problem with the network and to post a community update and quickly leaves. The previous excuses were that he was too busy working on Peercoin to communicate with us, but based on my experience with him, I don’t think this holds water. I feel the more likely cause is that he is just not interested enough anymore beyond keeping up with Bitcoin.
Sunny is the founder and creator of proof-of-stake technology. That makes him very important, however he is not an all knowing god like many people in this community make him out to be. He is not a grand mastermind behind the scenes plotting Peercoin’s ascension. He is not infallible. He is a great coder who also had a great idea and worked to put it into production. We found out through our private meetings with him that some of the design choices for Peercoin were not based on some grand design or vision like people always think, but were instead chosen because they were simpler to implement at the time, a prime example being the 0.01 PPC per kb transaction fee. People need to stop idolizing Sunny and making him out to be all these things he’s not, as if he has this huge influence and is directing all development behind the scenes, because that’s not the case at all. I was personally guilty of all of the above for a long time and probably contributed greatly toward this view people have of him, but I have since woken up upon having spent more time talking with him.
You want a leader? You want somebody with a vision for Peercoin, a plan and the will to make it happen? Look no further than @peerchemist. Over the past year he has been working hard to design a new vision for Peercoin and he’s been implementing it as we go along with help from other developers like @hrobeers and @saeveritt. He has been doing all of this and developing tools sometimes without any comment or a word of thanks from anyone in this community. Just read my longer post here and threads like this just to see how much thought has been put into this new direction…
@JordanLee of Nu was the single worst thing to ever happen to this community. He developed Peershares and NuBits within this community on purpose. After releasing Nu, he basically sucked Peercoin’s community dry of all active developers and contributors and funneled them into an unsustainable project which was built on shaky financials from the start and inevitably collapsed, taking with it everyone’s investment. It also put the idea in people’s minds through Peershares that Peercoin was never meant to actually succeed itself, but instead acted as an example network or a display of the potential of PoS tech. In other words, he created the mindset that Peercoin was only invented in order to deliver us Peershares like Nu and B&C Exchange.
The whole purpose of Peershares was to break our larger community down to smaller communities that supported separate individual networks with diverse protocols and business models. All Peershares networks required splitting away from the mother network, Peercoin.
PeerAssets on the other hand is about building a new ecosystem directly tied to Peercoin. It is not about breaking apart and working separately in separate bubbles. It is about coming together and building a united ecosystem. This is possible because PeerAssets draw their security and stability from the Peercoin network, giving everyone a common interest to support the main chain and the overall ecosystem. In return, the PeerAssets themselves help Peercoin through destroying lots of Peercoin transaction fees and through the advertising of Peercoin/PeerAssets through new DACs built on top of the chain.
@peerchemist has even figured out a way to reattach separate Peershares networks like Nu/B&C/Augeas back to Peercoin, reducing operational costs of Peershare based networks by using Peercoin for security. Think of PeerAssets as a simpler protocol for building DACs on top of Peercoin’s chain. Peershares on the other hand are for blockchains that require heavy customization not possible with PeerAssets. It should be possible in the future using @peerchemist’s idea for Peershares to attach to the main network and act as Peercoin sidechains, something I have dubbed Peerchains.
With Peerchains, separate, heavily customized individual networks would be possible (that are still linked to Peercoin) and would help prevent the Peercoin blockchain size from increasing astronomically while also drawing its security from the main network. Just like PeerAssets, this would mean that shares no longer need to be properly distributed, because an uneven share distribution would no longer have an impact on the security of each Peerchain network. It would only impact things like voting and distributing dividends. The Peercoin network itself and all of its holders would benefit directly from this through the destruction of PPC. So in the end we would have a simpler solution for assets and DACs with PeerAssets and a more advanced customizable solution with Peerchains, with both being covered under the security of the main Peercoin chain.
So again, Sunny invented this network, but I’m sure we can all see that he has made little to no effort to lead us or explain any vision he has for the future of the network. No development roadmap exists. He barely communicates with anyone in the community and we are the ones who need to call meetings with him if we want to get anything done. I’m not trying to humiliate Sunny in public or anything. I’m simply stating that he is better at some things than others and that we should have other people doing the long-term strategizing. I believe Sunny is at his best when he is working on the code. He continues to work on v0.6 in order to move us closer to Bitcoin and will be opening up development to the public once it’s released. That is the area I believe he specializes in and he is very valuable to the network for things like this, since he knows the code inside and out. We shouldn’t rely on him to do anything other than that.
Though when it comes to the vision and direction the network is moving in as well as the politics of the overall crypto scene, @peerchemist has shown me over the last year that he knows what he is talking about. I’ll be honest here. If it was not for him stepping up with his leadership over the past year, as well as @hrobeers and @saeveritt, I would most likely have sold all of my Peercoin by now and divested completely from crypto, however they have given me renewed hope for this network and are working every day to give Peercoin a second chance. All the work I have done in completely rebranding Peercoin is because I have absolute faith in their efforts. I think everyone in this community needs to consider fully backing them by supporting them with donations and active participation. They are currently the only ones here striving to make Peercoin great again, but they need help and support from everyone here in this community!
Could not agree more. My impression of Sunny is the same. It’s quite obvious that Peercoin does matter to him, but more like a hobby. His life does not depend on the success or failure of Peercoin.
In hindsight I regret never speaking up against Nushares/Nubits, although I was very skeptical about the project from the beginning. That whole idea of “parking Nubits for interest” when there are too many sales of Nubits was just screaming “SCAM”. At that time in mid 2014 everybody was so crazy about Jordan Lee’s project that I preferred to keep silence. I didn’t want to cause anger in the community, which was a mistake. I think Sunny also didn’t like the project, he never sounded enthusiastic about it in his weekly updates. I hoped that - although not sustainable in the long run - Nushares/Nubits would last a bit longer and pay more dividends in peercoins, so that I would profit as a peercoin holder.
At least we never abandoned Proof-of-Work inflation in Peercoin, and I was quite vocal about that in the past, whenever the topic came up. If we had abandoned Proof-of-Work, the price of Peercoin might be somewhat higher, but with less volume. People who came late to Peercoin like Peerchemist, Hrobeers would have been able to buy less coins at a higher price and would likely be less active. Our community might be dead already by now.
Speaking about myself, I came into Peercoin right on top of the bubble, and could buy only very few coins back than. Thanks to our inflation I could buy more later on when it was cheaper. Otherwise I would probably have sold at a loss and abandoned Peercoin.
To date most of the descriptions of PeerAssets I have seen are about creating a framework for new DACs on Peercoin’s chain, but this is also interesting as it allows for existing networks to join together rather than starting a new ecosystem from scratch.
Maybe this has been discussed before but how easy is it for other non-Peershares networks to be converted to PeerAssets? I’m just thinking that many small proof of stake coins have maybe only one or two developers working on them. If they had a way to maintain their financial share of their project, but reduce work on maintaining their separate chain, there could be incentive to join with Peercoin instead of compete.
Well said, all of you. I’m interested in how many people here are interested in a stable(flexible supply) crypto currency. I guess we can combine fixed supply and flexible supply into one ecosystem.
If PPC becomes a kind of “share”, and have some “governance” (such as voting/motions) and peerasset/peershare becomes “coin” , we can unite together.
Is this technically feasible? @peerchemist. Can we issue a hayek money with peerasset? If I have 1000PPC, can I pledge them and issue some hayek coins?
This wont happen. Peercoin will never get motions/voting as seen in Peershare.
Well any sort of tokens can be issued via PeerAssets.
I don’t know what do you mean by Hayek coin. From what I know about Hayek and his theory all non-government currencies are “Hayek money”. Which makes Peercoin a Hayek coin.
So really I don’t know what are you aiming at.
IMO a blockchain is used te create trust between untrusted parties, a stable way to agree on the timestamp of messages (e.g. transactions). Trust is bound to stability of the system.
With continuous voting, it is hard to track where the system is going for people not actively participating and therefore it reduces the overall trust created to outsiders.
Therefore, I believe that advanced voting systems should not be built into the protocol, but should be created using PA like constructions.
The only voting that is happening on the chain is about protocol upgrades and that kind of voting is a standard feature of any blockchain, since you vote by running one client or the other.
Original definition of deflation/inflation is about money’s supply (such as bitcoin quantity increases per day as minted), but the popular definition is the “price”/buying power to various goods such as you must spend more USD to buy one same apple than in 1990s.
Deflation money: gold, silver, bitcoin, peercoin
Inflation money: FIAT, such as USD
Hayek money: neither deflation nor inflation, feasible with blockchain technology, but still no one can issue it today. golden chance for us to launch the 1st Hayek money in human’s history.
As per original definition, peercoin is inflated, because more PPC in 2017 than in 2016, but my expression is according to the popular definition: long term buy power.
From 2009 to 2017, even to 2040, long term, one BTC will buy more goods, so is PPC, as long as those projects are successful. You must eliminate the white noise of coin price fluctuation to see clearly the long term trend.
Therefore, both BTC and PPC comply to gold standard theory which is one of theory supported by Austria school economics. Gold standard is not bad, and during 17th to 19th century, the gold standard play important role in that flourishing times when a kg gold can buy more and more products.
I just want to implement the 3rd theory from austria school, the Hayek good money: neither inflation nor deflation. as F A Hayek said:
As per Hayek’s opinion, if we issue a Hayek money, in a long run, we will outperform gold standard followers such as BTC. Satoshi contributes nothing to economics theory, he/she just invented an important blockchain technology to make electronic gold----bitcoin coming back to this world. The old gold standard.
Hayek money is about using darwinism on money. It’s not really about the specifics of how the supply is adjusted, it’s a way of achieving the appropriate inflation rate, by flooding the market with different supply schemes and seeing the one that survives as the one to declare what inflation and deflation is. In that way, peercoin, bitcoin, and all cryptocurrency is very much Hayek currency.
I am afraid you have not carefully read Hayek’s book:
Hayek said the competitors try their best to make their money buy power constant, the more constant of buying power, the more successful of your private money, obviously, BTC has bad competition in this kind of game. Hayek disliked gold standard, he would dislike bitcoin if he was alive.
It’s not that he doesn’t care about Peercoin (he does). It’s just that he’s not taking his leadership role seriously enough and his lack of communication and participation in the community is acting as a huge roadblock to progress, which is why our network has been left behind and surpassed by others. All of us need to be able to work together as a team and it’s incredibly hard to do that when the leader is absent the majority of the time.
IMO, behind the speculation/fluctuation, there is long term upwards trend of BTC price because BTC minted per year decreases, if the long term price is not upward, PoW will die/shrink in long term…
