Recheck our belief on PPC/XPM

[quote=“RobertLloyd, post:40, topic:3273”][quote=“cryptog1, post:30, topic:3273”]But if peercoin is worthless, Nu’s dividends are quantified with a worthless store of value, making themselves worthless, making Nu’s business worthless?
Or as peercoin gets hypothetically closer and closer to 0, dividends require more and more peercoins and in the mean time, Nu can think of another dividend transfer instrument?[/quote]

That’s a good question: what if demand for PPC goes to zero, causing the value to go to zero, meaning people could not convert PPC dividends to fiat - what happens then?[/quote]

If PPC price is zero, the XPM will be used as dividend. lol

One more thing, the scarcity is fundamental in economics, we know the PPC/XPM is trying to simulate gold, the gold is scarce on the earth until hit by a golden planetoid, however, the crypto is not scarce because any able programmer can fork PPC/BTC with low cost especially for PoS coins. There is no copyright of cryptos at all. Look these one thousand cryptos, this world is already inflationary and flexible supplied. Thus how can we simulate gold ie implement Mises model? Leaving alone the correctness of Mises’ theory.

Excellent question ! Since Nushares is a fiat-backed cryptoasset that has a finite (non-zero) price floor and a amount of dividends denominated in USD. This means that PPC has a finite price floor in fiat,

PPC_price_floor = (next Nushares dividends / 21 million). :smiley:

I agree with sentinelrv. This whole notion of stability and volatility arises only because people continue to value everything in terms of the USD. The assumption here is that the USD is the holy grail of stability. That, as we all know, is an illusion.

Pegging a crypto to any traditional asset should be viewed as temporary. Pegging only helps along mass adoption. The ultimate goal is to transition to an entirely crypto-economy, in which centrally controlled currencies like the USD, EUR, CNY, and the various other government sponsored monies fade into the dustbin of history. One or several crypto currencies will then emerge as the exchange tokens for this new economy. Nubits – at least in its present implementation – will not be necessary. I believe that time is a long way off, but it is inevitable.

What makes currencies volatile?

[quote=“crypto_coiner, post:28, topic:3273”][quote=“pillow, post:15, topic:3273”]todo: replace then with than

If Peercoin was super inflationary and offered no protection against the inflation, it would be a very bad place to store purchasing power. While the inflation rate now is very high (in 10 years half of your purchasing power in peercoins should go away, all else being equal) compared to some other cryptos (say those that were 100% pre-mined, which is a major bad thing in itself - think of the ripples tanking on the mere news of a big hodler thinking about dumping), the inflation rate is likely to go down in the future and right now the peercoins are so cheap, that it compensates for the inflation (my personal opinion).[/quote]

That does not sound very attractive short and mid term , as an investment - does it corroborate Chronos last video on Peercoin inflation?[/quote]

Two points:

[ul][li]PPC inflation is currently about 4%, so half of purchasing power goes away after 17 years, not 10.[/li]
[li]If you mint with your PPC then your holdings grow at 1%, so effective inflation is 3%. At this rate, purchasing power is halved after 23 years.[/li][/ul]

I calculate this by 0.97 ^ 23 = 0.49630641434198319969863989680919

23 years is a very long time in crypto (PPC is just 2 years old), so I think this is a low inflation rate. Adoption rates can be much, much higher. Of course, this is just a matter of opinion.

Excellent question ! Since Nushares is a fiat-backed cryptoasset that has a finite (non-zero) price floor and a amount of dividends denominated in USD. This means that PPC has a finite price floor in fiat,

PPC_price_floor = (next Nushares dividends / 21 million)

Technically, that floor doesn’t exist. PPC can theoretically be worthless. In this case, next Nushares dividend buys all PPC, but doesn’t spend the entire dividend on them, because they are worth so little. Then they are distributed, and sold for almost nothing by the recipients (or worthlessly kept). Anyway, no price floor is implied.

Another no-floor scenario is that there is no operating exchange or market that deals in PPC (because of low value), so the dividend cannot be distributed by that means.

Note that I don’t expect these outcomes. :))

I guess why peer coin not so popular is because it’s hard to maintain scarcity, although bitcoin PoW network is energy consuming and not environmental friendly, BTC has maintained somehow scarcity due to the costly minting hardware and hash rate behind it.

In a open source and author anonymity circumstance, the scarcity mainly depends on how easily other group of programmers counterfeit them. Naturally PoS has less scarcity than PoW. IMO, the gold standard is not suitable for PoS coins.

Look at today’s hundreds cryptos and very cheap price on the market, can we call it hyperinflation? After all hyperinflation is the worst thing and most hated in Crypto fans’ view. Digital/crypto “currency” is just another form of paper money created by some people, not by government. Gold standard can not be restored in this way. Any attempt to implement Mises gold standard model is impractical.

The only solution is Hayek style. As a student of Mises, Hayek naturally understood what was written in Mises’s in 1912. And he published in 1976, advocated a free competition private currency model which is most suitable for CryptoCurrency features.

I found a very interesting link between Mises theory and bitcoin.

Application to Bitcoin Since 2010, there has been a blog centered debate whether Bitcoin violates or adheres to the regression theorem.

Bitcoins adhere to the regression theorem when backing by a service, the service of transporting wealth, can be a proxy for commodity backing, which would be an “empirically verified” regression.

http://dailyanarchist.com/2013/06/06/reconciling-the-regression-theorem-with-bitcoin/

I hereby announce that I will keep a Nu Dividends in Peercoin (NuDiP) fund of 10 PPC using my own peercoins. Nu dividends distributor can contact me to buy 0.001 PPC, taken from NuDiP, with all dividends, so that the dividends can be distributed in peercoins.

NuDip will last for about 800 years if Nu distributes dividends every month.

So there. Peercoin price floor guaranteed for quite a while.

Another no-floor scenario is that there is no operating exchange or market that deals in PPC (because of low value), so the dividend cannot be distributed by that means.

I will make personal exchange with the dividend distributor. PM me. Problem solved. :))

Peercoin can be worthless dont be naive. And in that case Nu wouldnt distribute peercoins but switch to the other coin that killed peercoin.
Distributing worthless coins would make dividends pointless and remove a good chunk of value from nushares, so they would definitely change something.
The Nubits system is not depended on peercoins, so peercoin shouldnt be on nu. Cooperation is good but peercoin itself has to be a good and attractive system.

Basically that is true - as well as it is for food, water, gold, silver, Google shares, USD etc.
For some items in the list it’s more likely than for others. To be honest, I don’t know where to put Peercoin in that list.
But if you’d ask for a list of crypto coin related implementations, I’d put Peercoin quite at the top of the list od those I expect to last.
You may ask why I think so:
Peercoin is the first crypto coin that implemented a PoS secured block chain. The invention of PoS itself was originated by “Quantum Mechanic” on bitcointalk.org.
Kudos to Quantum Mechanic for inventing that AND kudos to Sunny King for successfully implementing it!
Being first PoS secured coin, being fair, being secure and sustainable are attributes that make Peercoin a candidate to be high on the list of survivors.

That might happen, but firstly I doubt that peercoin fails and secondly I doubt that Peercoin fails :wink:
The only reason I can imagine (my imagination might be limited, though) for Peercoin to completely fail economical wise is a failure technical wise; if the security of Peercoin’s block chain fails, that will for sure impact the price drastically and might ultimately render Peercoin worthless. The block chain is running safe and sound for close to 2.5 years with a quite high PoS difficulty. That is reason to put hope in the security concept. Cold minting is an indicator that the security might become even better.

[quote=“AM4Peercoin, post:50, topic:3273”]Distributing worthless coins would make dividends pointless and remove a good chunk of value from nushares, so they would definitely change something.
The Nubits system is not depended on peercoins, so peercoin shouldnt be on nu. Cooperation is good but peercoin itself has to be a good and attractive system.[/quote]
Peercoin doesn’t depend on Nu. Peercoin had value before Peershares have been invented. Nu might increase the value of Peercoin, though, because of the dividend distribution (remark: the most recent distribution was less than one day ago).
But Nu depends on Peercoin: it inherited Peercoin’s security model. Nu is protected by the PoS that was created for Peercoin. And Nu still depends on the wit of the Peercoin community. A large amount of Nu supporters is Peercoin supporter as well. Nu is able to attract more and more people, but I still consider Nu more dependent on Peercoin that the other way round.
Peercoin is attractive.
I don’t want to go into more detail, I just want to throw some names in:
Peerunity, Peershares, Peerbox, Peermessage

[quote=“sabreiib, post:1, topic:3273”]The price is so low because neither PPC nor XPM could adjust their supply according to real world demand, wake up buddies, we must comply basic economics rule of demand and supply at first if we wanna the real world accept our coins, please sunny king and other developers think twice about it.

The volatile coin never never become a real currency, is this the consensus? If so, I"ll stay in this community, if not, I don’t think IT programmers, most of them are economics laymen, could rewrite the history of curency, neither is Bitcoin and satoshi![/quote]

I read your previous posts where you say that you’ve been holding XPM since 2013. I agree, Jan 2015 is a frustrating time price wise for both PPC and XPM.

Understand that crypto has undergone some severe turmoil with hacking, etc. We’re still at the design stage here. Not the adoption phase quite yet. We’re still launching cold wallet minting features.

The market place will determine demand. It’s much easier tocalculate the effect that future demand might require of the supply, and make buy & sell orders based on it. Finally we’re working with a definitive supply, that is public, and you don’t have these market spikes or drops every time the Central banks make an announcement and the insiders knew about it before the public.

You have to go into this with a very open mind. Old working thinking has taught us very little. It just shows us that we’re concurrently wrong every time we try to follow these tactics.

If you think Bitcoin and Peercoin are inherently flawed and can go no where, then it is those exact flaws that may actually change the future. Sometimes flaws can turn out to be features if exploited properly.

With Peercoin and XPM the race is long. From 2013 to 2015 is only 2 years. That’s tiny in the grand scheme of things to come.

Once we’ve done better with our wallets, block chains, exchanges, ATM’s, methods of obtain virtual coin, transferring coin, and ease of use, you’ll see application developers come running to adopt it.

You will find that pre-determined supply of a coin will actually be beneficial in the long run, unlike fiat. You’ll see.

TomJoad, saw this and wanted to comment.

NuBits is a fantastic idea, and has been very well executed. What you guys have done is phenomenal, and I hope NuBits grows to be ubiquitous among exchanges.

When looking at the playing field from the Peercoin sidelines, I see that cryptocurrency will have a hard-time going mainstream. I see NuBits as lowering that bar for getting your average joe involved in cryptocurrency. That’s all I meant by NuBits acting as a gateway drug - I hope it gets many, many people involved in cryptocurrency who otherwise wouldn’t, and I hope that some of those people continue experimenting with cryptocurrencies even further.

I didn’t intend to dismiss NuBits as merely a stepping stone to Peercoin. It is far more indeed.

I like how integrated our two communities (NuBits and Peercoin) are, and that we are able to contribute and grow from each other.

Basically that is true - as well as it is for food, water, gold, silver, Google shares, USD etc.
For some items in the list it’s more likely than for others. To be honest, I don’t know where to put Peercoin in that list.
But if you’d ask for a list of crypto coin related implementations, I’d put Peercoin quite at the top of the list od those I expect to last.
You may ask why I think so:
Peercoin is the first crypto coin that implemented a PoS secured block chain. The invention of PoS itself was originated by “Quantum Mechanic” on bitcointalk.org.
Kudos to Quantum Mechanic for inventing that AND kudos to Sunny King for successfully implementing it!
Being first PoS secured coin, being fair, being secure and sustainable are attributes that make Peercoin a candidate to be high on the list of survivors.

That might happen, but firstly I doubt that peercoin fails and secondly I doubt that Peercoin fails :wink:
The only reason I can imagine (my imagination might be limited, though) for Peercoin to completely fail economical wise is a failure technical wise; if the security of Peercoin’s block chain fails, that will for sure impact the price drastically and might ultimately render Peercoin worthless. The block chain is running safe and sound for close to 2.5 years with a quite high PoS difficulty. That is reason to put hope in the security concept. Cold minting is an indicator that the security might become even better.

[quote=“AM4Peercoin, post:50, topic:3273”]Distributing worthless coins would make dividends pointless and remove a good chunk of value from nushares, so they would definitely change something.
The Nubits system is not depended on peercoins, so peercoin shouldnt be on nu. Cooperation is good but peercoin itself has to be a good and attractive system.[/quote]
Peercoin doesn’t depend on Nu. Peercoin had value before Peershares have been invented. Nu might increase the value of Peercoin, though, because of the dividend distribution (remark: the most recent distribution was less than one day ago).
But Nu depends on Peercoin: it inherited Peercoin’s security model. Nu is protected by the PoS that was created for Peercoin. And Nu still depends on the wit of the Peercoin community. A large amount of Nu supporters is Peercoin supporter as well. Nu is able to attract more and more people, but I still consider Nu more dependent on Peercoin that the other way round.
Peercoin is attractive.
I don’t want to go into more detail, I just want to throw some names in:
Peerunity, Peershares, Peerbox, Peermessage[/quote]
@masterOfDisaster, I agree with you that PoS is a very important invention. When Quantum Mechanic talked on bitcointalk.org(2011?), Sunny King and his friends were also planing PoS mechanism so SK also an originator of PoS.

But we should think in an economics way besides caring about IT/Cryptographic. I mean the “scarcity” which is the fundamental precondition. PoS scheme can be easily copied, while BTC PoW has attracted lots expensive hardware behind it, you may easily copy an open source project but with the hardware you just cannot. There are several hundred of PoW copy cats but none of them has enough hash rate/hardware equipment like BTC, that means the quality/network security is very different so BTC has maintained its scarcity, “digital gold” concept makes sense.

But how does PPC deal with copy cats? Closed source? Impractical. Therefore, without scarcity, PPC will be cheap for ever.

My opinion is that the PoW suitable for “gold standard”, and PoS is NOT for “Gold” for its intrinsic feature. There are three economics theories with regard to monetary.

  1. paper money issued by government, print money from thin air. Economists: Keynes and Friedman
  2. Gold standard, metallic money. Economists: Mises? and a lot more.
  3. free competition private paper money, Economists: FA Hayek

Naturally , PoS is only suitable for Hayek model, PoS coins are paper money issued by people, there may be 100 even 1000 PoS coins WITH SAME SECURITY LEVEL if free market needed, so PoS coin has little gold feature being lack of SCARCITY.

[quote=“ppcman, post:52, topic:3273”][quote=“sabreiib, post:1, topic:3273”]The price is so low because neither PPC nor XPM could adjust their supply according to real world demand, wake up buddies, we must comply basic economics rule of demand and supply at first if we wanna the real world accept our coins, please sunny king and other developers think twice about it.

The volatile coin never never become a real currency, is this the consensus? If so, I"ll stay in this community, if not, I don’t think IT programmers, most of them are economics laymen, could rewrite the history of curency, neither is Bitcoin and satoshi![/quote]

I read your previous posts where you say that you’ve been holding XPM since 2013. I agree, Jan 2015 is a frustrating time price wise for both PPC and XPM.

Understand that crypto has undergone some severe turmoil with hacking, etc. We’re still at the design stage here. Not the adoption phase quite yet. We’re still launching cold wallet minting features.

The market place will determine demand. It’s much easier tocalculate the effect that future demand might require of the supply, and make buy & sell orders based on it. Finally we’re working with a definitive supply, that is public, and you don’t have these market spikes or drops every time the Central banks make an announcement and the insiders knew about it before the public.

You have to go into this with a very open mind. Old working thinking has taught us very little. It just shows us that we’re concurrently wrong every time we try to follow these tactics.

If you think Bitcoin and Peercoin are inherently flawed and can go no where, then it is those exact flaws that may actually change the future. Sometimes flaws can turn out to be features if exploited properly.

With Peercoin and XPM the race is long. From 2013 to 2015 is only 2 years. That’s tiny in the grand scheme of things to come.

Once we’ve done better with our wallets, block chains, exchanges, ATM’s, methods of obtain virtual coin, transferring coin, and ease of use, you’ll see application developers come running to adopt it.

You will find that pre-determined supply of a coin will actually be beneficial in the long run, unlike fiat. You’ll see.[/quote]

@ppcman, I give up arguing with you about the correctness of gold standard since quite some economists support it. There must be some good reasons behind gold standard and both BTC and PPC are simulating gold. Do you agree?

My opinion is that BTC/XPM may become “digital gold” in future while I prefer XPM because of more sustainability, excellent work of Sunny King!

But PoS predetermined supply coins just can NOT become digital gold for absence of SCARCITY as I posted above. However I’m still confident that PoS scheme can compete with PoW by implementing Hayek model(flexible supply + stable price).

BTC/XPM------->digital gold. But is gold a decent money?
anti inflation version NBT---------->good money, perhaps beat gold in future. :wink:

PoS is ideal for share concept and the Fiat/BTC hold in custodians’ hands can NOT easily counterfeited by copy cats therefore Nu system’s SCARCITY stands. Fiat/BTC is scarce,so is NBT. This is the war between different schools of economists, the blockchain/DAC is just surface tech and the hardcore battle of economics model has begun, I am excited.

http://www.coindesk.com/bill-gates-bitcoin-alone-wont-solve-global-payments-challenges/

Bill gates criticizes the volatility of Bitcoin.

Although Bitcoin could simulate gold, the adoption process is much more difficult than gold/silver because gold had been already adopted thousand years before gold standard set up.

I still believe PoS + Hayek model will beat PoW’s gold standard philosophy.

Maybe I got lost somewhere…
…but as long as Peercoin stays a PoS/PoW hybrid the former doesn’t apply to Peercoin, right?
Peercoin is no predetermined supply PoS coin, but scarce.
I have more than once compared Peercoin to be the “true digital gold” because mining Peercoin is hard, but sustaining it is easy - just like gold an in difference to Bitcoin.

Sabreiib, Sunny seems to disagree with you below. He says that transactions fees can’t sustain Bitcoin’s security level. It might work if the mining generation amount was kept constant, but then that would weaken Bitcoin’s scarcity. It simply costs too much to sustain pure proof-of-work systems like Bitcoin long-term. He then says Primecoin is designed to do the job better and that it has a “reasonably good” scarcity property. Finally, he goes on to say that Peercoin would be the best candidate because it can maintain high security levels without reliance on transaction fees and also that it has a strong scarcity property. Just as MasterofDisaster said above, Peercoin is scarce. It’s hard to mine and easy to sustain, just like gold.

[quote=“Sentinelrv, post:1, topic:1921”]JustaBitofTime: Coolbeans94 wanted to know about Peercoin’s long term approach, he asks “Is its design more for long-term security and sustainability? How does that relate to Bitcoin’s longterm vision?(Coolbeans94)”

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. Both PPC and XPM are designed to last. PPC is designed with energy efficiency, XPM is designed with energy multiuse. Bitcoin has a long term uncertainty as to whether transaction fees can sustain good enough level of security. Before that the main concern is how to balance transaction volume and transaction fee levels. Currently I get the feeling that bitcoin developers favor very low transaction fees and very high transaction volume, to be competitive against centralized systems (paypal, visa, mastercard etc) in terms of transaction volume, to the point of sacrificing decentralization. This also brings major uncertainties to bitcoin’s future.

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. From my point of view, I think the cryptocurrency movement needs at least one ‘backbone’ currency, or more, that maintains high degree of decentralization, maintains high level of security, but not necessarily providing high volume of transactions. Thinking of savings accounts and gold coins, you don’t transact them at high velocity but they form the backbone of the monetary systems.

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. Pure proof-of-work systems such as bitcoin is not 100% suitable for this task. This is because transaction fee is not a reliable incentive to sustain network security. If the mining generation amount is kept constant (there have been several such attempts in altcoins) it would work better security-wise but then it would also significantly weaken the scarcity property of the currency. XPM’s inflation model is designed in such a way that it could serve as backbone currency better than bitcoin if needed, because it could maintain high security reliably for longer, with reasonably good scarcity property as well. Of course that’s only from architect’s point of view, whether or not it would be chosen by the market is a whole different matter.

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. PPC is designed to serve even better as a backbone currency. The proof-of-stake technology in PPC is not only energy efficient; it also maintains high level of security without relying on transaction fee. Thus PPC could be safely designed with strong scarcity property yet serving well as backbone currency.

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. Both PPC and XPM use protocol enforced transaction fees, which reflects my preference that high transaction volume is discouraged in favor of serving as backbone currencies.[/quote]

Sabreiib, Sunny seems to disagree with you below. He says that transactions fees can’t sustain Bitcoin’s security level. It might work if the mining generation amount was kept constant, but then that would weaken Bitcoin’s scarcity. It simply costs too much to sustain pure proof-of-work systems like Bitcoin long-term. He then says Primecoin is designed to do the job better and that it has a “reasonably good” scarcity property. Finally, he goes on to say that Peercoin would be the best candidate because it can maintain high security levels without reliance on transaction fees and also that it has a strong scarcity property. Just as MasterofDisaster said above, Peercoin is scarce. It’s hard to mine and easy to sustain, just like gold.

[quote=“Sentinelrv, post:1, topic:1921”]JustaBitofTime: Coolbeans94 wanted to know about Peercoin’s long term approach, he asks “Is its design more for long-term security and sustainability? How does that relate to Bitcoin’s longterm vision?(Coolbeans94)”

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. Both PPC and XPM are designed to last. PPC is designed with energy efficiency, XPM is designed with energy multiuse. Bitcoin has a long term uncertainty as to whether transaction fees can sustain good enough level of security. Before that the main concern is how to balance transaction volume and transaction fee levels. Currently I get the feeling that bitcoin developers favor very low transaction fees and very high transaction volume, to be competitive against centralized systems (paypal, visa, mastercard etc) in terms of transaction volume, to the point of sacrificing decentralization. This also brings major uncertainties to bitcoin’s future.

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. From my point of view, I think the cryptocurrency movement needs at least one ‘backbone’ currency, or more, that maintains high degree of decentralization, maintains high level of security, but not necessarily providing high volume of transactions. Thinking of savings accounts and gold coins, you don’t transact them at high velocity but they form the backbone of the monetary systems.

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. Pure proof-of-work systems such as bitcoin is not 100% suitable for this task. This is because transaction fee is not a reliable incentive to sustain network security. If the mining generation amount is kept constant (there have been several such attempts in altcoins) it would work better security-wise but then it would also significantly weaken the scarcity property of the currency. XPM’s inflation model is designed in such a way that it could serve as backbone currency better than bitcoin if needed, because it could maintain high security reliably for longer, with reasonably good scarcity property as well. Of course that’s only from architect’s point of view, whether or not it would be chosen by the market is a whole different matter.

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. PPC is designed to serve even better as a backbone currency. The proof-of-stake technology in PPC is not only energy efficient; it also maintains high level of security without relying on transaction fee. Thus PPC could be safely designed with strong scarcity property yet serving well as backbone currency.

Sunny King: @Coolbeans 94. Both PPC and XPM use protocol enforced transaction fees, which reflects my preference that high transaction volume is discouraged in favor of serving as backbone currencies.[/quote][/quote]

Sentinelrv, I agree with SK about XPM is better than BTC if XPM grows up, but disagree the PPC’s future.

  1. Scarcity. As we known, this is basic economics concept. Scarcity is “necessary condition but not sufficient condition” to being valuable. Fresh air is critical for us without it we die but fresh air is not scarce so it has no price. When we check the PPC design WITHIN its whitepaper, it is scarce, however, if we put the whole society as our scope, Can PPC stop its copy cats?

2)Reduction to absurdity. Let assume XPM has grown up now and each XPM equals to $250. What’s the copy cats response to XPM? They rush to github download XPM newest software and modify some minor factors and claim their YPM is as good as XPM, just like what 500 PoW altcoins did to BTC in 2013-14. However, the free market don’t buy it because the hash rate/mining rigs behinds XPM is far greater than counterfeits(YPM). Copy cats can copy open source software freely but can NOT point guns to every XPM miner’s head to force them shift hashrate from XPM to YPM network. Last two years, LTC and Doge tried to compete with BTC but their hash rate(security) never close to BTC, that’s the reason BTC keeping scarcity. Is there any PoW coin whose hash rate near to 300P now? None. The copy task is difficult, if not impossible.

For XPM, its unique computing and supply curve besides potential side chain may incentive XPM mining(GPU, perhaps future ASCI ) and grow up, XPM may rebuild “Gold Standard” in future.

Now let assume every PPC equals $250. Those copy cats rush to github and download SK’s latest PPC version and modify some factor of course including name, the counterfeit called “QQC”, they intentionally set a very high PoW Sha256 difficulty and give out one third of all QQC to people on internet and shout " let’s PoS mining", thanks for SK’s design, the QQC network is same power efficient,decentralized environmental friendly and SECURITY.

People would doubt what’s the difference between PPC and QQC? Why PPC =$250 while QQC=$1 since both have almost network? If PPC fails to keep scarce, $250 is impossible. Gold Standard is unreachable.

Cryptocurrency is open source, author anonymous, they must hook something in real work to prevent copy cats, BTC has mining rigs/hashrate, Nubits has Fiat/BTC in their system, but what does PPC have in real world? Peerbox? Personal Computer? No. Because copy cats have those too.

totally agree, I wouldn’t mind to see ppc at 10$ and btc at 20$ in a year time. from there the market will reset with ppc as the new center of the crypto universe.