I think it would be nice to have a site that just posts semi-regular news updates and features about Peercoin and Peershares. I could probably write a few things, and people could get paid a little bit if their article gets published. I don’t think it should be officially associated with Peercoin (no one will want to read it if they think it is just an advertisement). For this reason, I’m not sure if peer4commit should be used, but we’ll figure it out.
I have barely any experience with web development (or writing/editing for that matter - but as long as we’re not expecting any Pulitzers then I think I can suffice ). I would appreciate it if people could post some tips for how to design a simple news website, it could really be almost a blog.
I won’t actually have time to start this until next month some time, but am just posting this now to hopefully get the discussion going.
I really like this idea and would actually like to eventually see a print magazine produced
Would be more than happy to help throw up a quick website or pass it onto one of my dev friends looking for a little project. Personally i would like to see this as an open source project as well to follow in the Peercointalk services vien, but does not have to be, but I am happy to have a repo dedicated for this
Peer4commit is just a site which uses Peercoins as a currency. There are already many projects on there which are not related to Peercoin community. There is also tip4commit.com if you rather solicit for donations and payouts in Bitcoins.
[quote=“FuzzyBear, post:2, topic:2215”]I really like this idea and would actually like to eventually see a print magazine produced
Would be more than happy to help throw up a quick website or pass it onto one of my dev friends looking for a little project. Personally i would like to see this as an open source project as well to follow in the Peercointalk services vien, but does not have to be, but I am happy to have a repo dedicated for this
My main concern is that it should have some degree of separation from Peercoin e.g. articles critical of Peercoin/Peershares should be allowed, but I suppose that would have more to do with whoever is managing the content.
Suggest to make this clear in the tipping policies on peer4commit.com. Same as Peerunity project did.[/quote]
Am I able to do that or only Fuzzy? I’ve never used GitHub before so not too sure how it works.[/quote]
I guess it have to be Fuzzy as you do need a Github account to add this on peer4commit.com
How do you think the submission and acceptance/rejection of articles should be managed? Can this be done through the existing repo or should another method be used for this, with the original repo only for the website development?
Or does anyone have any other ideas on how best to go about this?
[quote=“river333, post:9, topic:2215”]How do you think the submission and acceptance/rejection of articles should be managed? Can this be done through the existing repo or should another method be used for this, with the original repo only for the website development?
Or does anyone have any other ideas on how best to go about this?[/quote]
Well you can have it both ways, but honestly submitting articles through the repo is not very user friendly. Most people wouldn’t have a clue. If you still want to use the peer4commit mechanism for articles, you probably need an intermediairy person to submit it on behalf of someone. Submitters would still need to create a Github account to receive their share though, but that is not too hard. You might try to go through that process yourself to get an idea. in addition to that submitters need to go to peer4commit.com and assign an address where they would like to receive their Peercoins on.
[quote=“Cybnate, post:10, topic:2215”][quote=“river333, post:9, topic:2215”]How do you think the submission and acceptance/rejection of articles should be managed? Can this be done through the existing repo or should another method be used for this, with the original repo only for the website development?
Or does anyone have any other ideas on how best to go about this?[/quote]
Well you can have it both ways, but honestly submitting articles through the repo is not very user friendly. Most people wouldn’t have a clue. If you still want to use the peer4commit mechanism for articles, you probably need an intermediairy person to submit it on behalf of someone. Submitters would still need to create a Github account to receive their share though, but that is not too hard. You might try to go through that process yourself to get an idea. in addition to that submitters need to go to peer4commit.com and assign an address where they would like to receive their Peercoins on.[/quote]
Thanks. I took a look around GitHub and it definitely does look too complicated for submitting articles. I think a different method for managing tips instead of peer4commit would be better for this.
@FuzzyBear, I think the repo you made might only be used for the website development, not for tipping people who write articles. Do you agree? If so, maybe the description on it should be updated to reflect this?
This is a good use-case for a specialty block chain. I’ll have to think this one over for a bit, and model it out, but I can see a potential use for Peershares to distribute content payments (as a form of dividends).
Article authors can derive income from people reading the article.
A peer review system (editor or what ever) verify article content or/and filter out garbage.
Donation/Tips is a bad way to monetize I think. Ads looks bad. I would rather see a free magazine that brings the latest peernews and that the journalist get paid for real with an tipping as bonus from readers. The magazine could finance this by asking for donations from the community. In return for this donations, people get shares. If people reading tip/donate enough money share holders get dividend.
This way article authors are sure to get paid. The community share the financial risk and in return we get ann outlet for news that other media/news corps can turn to and we get info spread and so forth and so on. If magazine is widely popular and lots of tips come in, the article authors get some extra and if there is coins left also the community get their money back.
Edit: I think articles should be submitted to a place where puic can not view them, to protect article authors from people ripping their content. If they want to they can still submit their articles to other places as well so it’s still not “centralized”. If enough people think the magazine is bad it will die and/or another will emerge. The magazine should npt be an official outlet I think and funding should be incremental and continuous.
I know some folks are going to hate this idea, but I wanted to put it out there anyhow.
This should include the good and the bad. If the magazine is honest on both fronts it’s sure to earn more trust as well as a good source of information.
I’d rather hear about bad news from the Peercoin community and what they are doing to solve any problems. Usually when bad news is spread from the outside
it just creates panic because there is no real follow up information.
[quote=“Drummel, post:14, topic:2215”]I know some folks are going to hate this idea, but I wanted to put it out there anyhow.
This should include the good and the bad. If the magazine is honest on both fronts it’s sure to earn more trust as well as a good source of information.
I’d rather hear about bad news from the Peercoin community and what they are doing to solve any problems. Usually when bad news is spread from the outside
it just creates panic because there is no real follow up information.
Just a thought…[/quote]
Yes I agree, that’s why I have said that there should be some degree of separation from the development community. No one is going to read it if it is just basically press releases.
As long as the people reviewing the article submissions are aware of this then it shouldn’t be a problem. The website development can be separate from the editors/writers. If I am involved, then I don’t think I would have a problem accepting negative articles, as long as they were well written and researched.
[quote=“pillow, post:13, topic:2215”]I think the following features would be great:
Everyone can submit articles.
Article authors can derive income from people reading the article.
A peer review system (editor or what ever) verify article content or/and filter out garbage.
Donation/Tips is a bad way to monetize I think. Ads looks bad. I would rather see a free magazine that brings the latest peernews and that the journalist get paid for real with an tipping as bonus from readers. The magazine could finance this by asking for donations from the community. In return for this donations, people get shares. If people reading tip/donate enough money share holders get dividend.
This way article authors are sure to get paid. The community share the financial risk and in return we get ann outlet for news that other media/news corps can turn to and we get info spread and so forth and so on. If magazine is widely popular and lots of tips come in, the article authors get some extra and if there is coins left also the community get their money back.
Edit: I think articles should be submitted to a place where puic can not view them, to protect article authors from people ripping their content. If they want to they can still submit their articles to other places as well so it’s still not “centralized”. If enough people think the magazine is bad it will die and/or another will emerge. The magazine should npt be an official outlet I think and funding should be incremental and continuous.[/quote]
I’m not quite sure what you mean here. If giving donations received shares, wouldn’t that just be equity?
I agree on the other points though, articles can be submitted to the editor(s) to review them privately.
To be honest, I don’t think our community is really big enough yet to have a professionally run or financed media outlet. Maybe in the future we can think about it, but for now we could just start a simple website where people can submit articles and receive a tip. Then their address can also be posted under the article for readers to tip if they want.
That would certainly be interesting. There are so many different uses of Peershares that I haven’t even thought of yet!
River I used to run a newspaper, had a staff of about 30 folks. Let me know if you wantto talk through some logistics of this type of project
As for using github, to integrate with peer4commit, I have too much on my plate right now to act on this, but I have a planned out system to run article submissions for websites, from drafting to mark up, posing and archiving. Happy to brief you on it as well,
Another options would be to go the devtome style route but I don’t recommend it
Thanks iheartcryptocoin, I appreciate the help. I will hopefully be able to start working this out properly in a few weeks when I have some free time.
I think we should keep things as simple as possible for now. We don’t really even know yet if there would be much interest in this kind of thing. I think it would be better to just get something basic out there first to see what the response is like. If it is positive, then we can think of extending it into something more elaborate in the future.
[quote=“river333, post:18, topic:2215”]Thanks iheartcryptocoin, I appreciate the help. I will hopefully be able to start working this out properly in a few weeks when I have some free time.
I think we should keep things as simple as possible for now. We don’t really even know yet if there would be much interest in this kind of thing. I think it would be better to just get something basic out there first to see what the response is like. If it is positive, then we can think of extending it into something more elaborate in the future.[/quote]
Sounds like a smart move to start small and work in increments. I’m so looking forward to this!
I hope my description didn’t sound overwhelming to you. For any website there are 4 really basic things that must happen
Articles drafted
Articles marked up so that they are formatted correctly in the html
Articles posted publicly
Some process to determine how long articles stay on the front page or in the “highlighted” section before they fall back into the archive. Nothing kills like article rot
Those steps really aren’t complex at all and they are the “minimum” amount of activity for a site to be useful to the audience . Make sense? It’s also not hard at all to use github for each step once you get a sense of how you want to handle each.
). I would appreciate it if people could post some tips for how to design a simple news website, it could really be almost a blog.