Peercoin Announces New Payment Method for Tesla Motors & Tesla Energy Purchases

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[quote=“Sentinelrv, post:20, topic:3573”]He keeps talking about Peerbox. Does [member=30983]peerchemist[/member] know anything about this? In one of his recent tweets he said this: “Super excited about the new #Peerbox!” Has Peerchemist revealed any details on the next version of Peerbox?

Edit: How do I successfully notify someone using @? It didn’t seem to work.[/quote]

[member=890]Sentinelrv[/member], just type “@” followed by the first letters of the account to be mentioned and a popup menu will appear like in the screenshot below:

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Mably, I tried it on IE, Chrome and iOS and none of them work. What are you using?

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I officially ask the dev either to deny or to confirm this rumor at this stage. It’s not possible that a guy keeps babbling about such a big project without any confirmation by the devs. Either you know or don’t know something, the longer you wait to say a word the bigger the damage in case this turns out to be a joke.

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It seems that Tesla doesn’t yet make any decisions. It is only in the discuss stage between Alloy and Tesla representatives.
We can’t believe this is true until Tesla makes announcement.

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The question is not whether it will be true in the future, but whether it is true now - the “announcement” purports to refer to a present decision

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My email corresondence with Telsa:

(from me, yesterday) According to this announcement on the internet, Telsa is entering into some sort of arrangement or collaboration with Peercoin (which is a digital coin, like bitcoin): https://www.peercointalk.org/index.php?topic=4192.0
The internet is full of hoaxes, and I am wondering whether Telsa could confirm or deny the claim, made in the first post
Thank you

(from me, second email) Further to my email request yesterday, here is another example of the Telsa/Peercoin collaboration
https://twitter.com/geoff_snyder
Can you confirm the statements in these posts are genuine?
Thank you

(reply from Telsa, this afternoon)Thank you for following up. Tesla does not accept any digital currency. We are working to have the original, misleading post removed.
Thank you

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Can Fuzzy assist Telsa by removing Alloy’s original post, and perhaps putting a hoax warning?
We also need to remove references to Telsa from the Reddit message board

I suggest we give Alloy an opportunity to explain himself - if he is unable to do so, the account should be deleted

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thanks Robert for the post, we all knew this was not true. luckily the market didn’t believe a word of this buffoon. so I believe there’s no damage. actually ppc is going up after you confirmed it was all bullshit, as it was going down every time alloy posted his crap.

I suggest we give Alloy an opportunity to explain himself - if he is unable to do so, the account should be deleted

totally agree. he’ll be back with another name though, this guy is just making fun of the ppc community. must be a bitcointaaaaard

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[quote=“RobertLloyd, post:26, topic:3573”]My email corresondence with Telsa:

(from me, yesterday) According to this announcement on the internet, Telsa is entering into some sort of arrangement or collaboration with Peercoin (which is a digital coin, like bitcoin): https://www.peercointalk.org/index.php?topic=4192.0
The internet is full of hoaxes, and I am wondering whether Telsa could confirm or deny the claim, made in the first post
Thank you

(from me, second email) Further to my email request yesterday, here is another example of the Telsa/Peercoin collaboration
https://twitter.com/geoff_snyder
Can you confirm the statements in these posts are genuine?
Thank you

(reply from Telsa, this afternoon)Thank you for following up. Tesla does not accept any digital currency. We are working to have the original, misleading post removed.
Thank you

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Can Fuzzy assist Telsa by removing Alloy’s original post, and perhaps putting a hoax warning?
We also need to remove references to Telsa from the Reddit message board

I suggest we give Alloy an opportunity to explain himself - if he is unable to do so, the account should be deleted[/quote]
Hi Robert many thanks for this info, can u please pm me the email address and contact you spoke to, I would like to have a follow up with them regarding this whole matter and posts threads surrounding the matter.

For now I request that no one else post in this thread.

@alloy I am not locking this thread yet to give you a chance to explain yourself and Tesla not having any backing to your claims.

Fuzzybear

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[quote=“mhps, post:2, topic:3573”]It’s great to see this great progress been made. Is there a Peercoin payment page already?
How does peerbox fit into this exactly?[/quote]
It fits in snugly. [emoji3]

The peerboxes will be installed in parallel, as a third-party option, in all Tesla Motors vehicles, Superchargers, and Powerwalls.

Nothing as far a direct payment… just an invitation letting them know that we’re here.

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[quote=“Philogus, post:6, topic:3573”]This quote is from the post, the highlighting is mine:

“With digital currencies experiencing tremendous growth in recent years, it was only a matter of time before Peercoin chose Tesla to accept a digital currency as payment from their customers.”

The way this post is worded is very strange.

Why would it be “Peercoin chooses Tesla” instead of “Tesla chooses Peercoin”? I like the author’s enthusiasm, but in my opinion, he should stop making announcements until Tesla officially announces that THEY are in fact interested in Peercoin as a technology (which I suspect they are not).

People who don’t read his postings carefully will think that it implies that Tesla is somehow interested in integrating Peercoin as an option to pay for Tesla cars. However, his careful wording implies that Tesla really has no interest in Peercoin at all. Perhaps something like ShapeShift.io + Coinbase will be used to convert Peercoin to the US dollars that Tesla already accept, but the announcement as written implies that Tesla just wants to accept as many US dollars as possible: they do not care about Peercoin, but if people convert Peercoin to dollars, they will gladly accept them. That is why he says “Peercoin chooses Tesla”, and not “Tesla chooses Peercoin”.

The way that the announcement is currently written seems like an attempt to positively influence (pump) the price of Peercoin by duping people into believing that Tesla is going to integrate Peercoin.

If Tesla really is interested in integrating Peercoin, please link to concrete evidence of such on an approved Tesla forum (such as on their home page, or elsewhere on http://TeslaMotors.com). If they are, I would recommend that you stop making announcements until THEY make an official announcement. Anything else looks like a pump attempt.

Again, I love the author’s enthusiasm, but you have to be HONEST, you have to be CREDIBLE, and you have to back up your claims with independently verifiable sources.[/quote]
The outline is a written piece to see what shakes from the tree… clearly a lot of people not reading everything. That’s OK, as it will save me time with responses.

Our integration concepts are directed at those who 1. Those who currently own a Tesla vehicle. 2. Those who are current deposit holders. And 3. Those who are in line for a Tesla Powerwall.

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Two words my friend… thank. you.

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[quote=“Alloy, post:30, topic:3573”]The outline is a written piece to see what shakes from the tree… clearly a lot of people not reading everything. That’s OK, as it will save me time with responses.

Our integration concepts are directed at those who 1. Those who currently own a Tesla vehicle. 2. Those who are current deposit holders. And 3. Those who are in line for a Tesla Powerwall.[/quote]

is it me (I’m not a native english speaker) or this guy speaks like a child from eastern europe? same with his post in the other thread.
basically he’s just babbling. what does the following sentence even mean??

The idea is simply install a Peerbox within a Tesla Motors vehicle, to help expand the network and introduce [i]two[/i] emerging markets.
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It seems that Tesla doesn’t yet make any decisions. It is only in the discuss stage between Alloy and Tesla representatives.
We can’t believe this is true until Tesla makes announcement.[/quote]
Yes. As I’ve mentioned before, we as a third party, do not speak on behalf of Tesla and/or Peercoin. Thank you for clarifying some of the confusion; I wish others would read through the threads thoroughly.

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[quote=“arbitrageur, post:27, topic:3573”]thanks Robert for the post, we all knew this was not true. luckily the market didn’t believe a word of this buffoon. so I believe there’s no damage. actually ppc is going up after you confirmed it was all bullshit, as it was going down every time alloy posted his crap.

I suggest we give Alloy an opportunity to explain himself - if he is unable to do so, the account should be deleted

totally agree. he’ll be back with another name though, this guy is just making fun of the ppc community. must be a bitcointaaaaard[/quote]
I will no longer acknowledge you or your comments, @arbitageur. I’m sure I don’t need to explain why.

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So, I was gonna stay out of this, but I feel like I should at least point out that we should be criticizing his intent and actions, and not attacking how he speaks.

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That said: at a minimum I believe [member=28547]Alloy[/member] is using words that conflate his position to effect the Tesla company and the Peercoin community. Words like “partnership” or “X announces,” where X is not the company or entity Alloy represents, are exaggerations of a non-native speaker at best or felonious misrepresentation at worst.

I strongly encourage [member=28547]Alloy[/member] to rewrite his posts to clearly state he is 3rd party entity without controlling influence over either the Peercoin community or the Tesla company, and avoid misrepresenting himself.

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I just want to make sure of something. You’re not talking about 1 Tesla store installing Peerboxes correct? You’re talking about them being installed everywhere as an optional feature provided by your company?

Also, what do you say to Tesla’s response to Robert? The response said that they don’t accept digital currency, but what you’re talking about is different than accepting payment. It’s also possible that if this is still something under discussion and behind the scenes, the person controlling Tesla’s email account may not be privy to this information and have no knowledge of it yet. I’m still willing to consider this a possibility, but I’ll need to see some kind of official statement from Tesla before I can believe it’s true.

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I just want to make sure of something. You’re not talking about 1 Tesla store installing Peerboxes correct? You’re talking about them being installed everywhere as an optional feature provided by your company?

Also, what do you say to Tesla’s response to Robert? The response said that they don’t accept digital currency, but what you’re talking about is different than accepting payment. It’s also possible that if this is still something under discussion and behind the scenes, the person controlling Tesla’s email account may not be privy to this information and have no knowledge of it yet. I’m still willing to consider this a possibility, but I’ll need to see some kind of official statement from Tesla before I can believe it’s true.[/quote]
That is correct. Tesla Motors themselves are not installing the Peerbox into their products. Any contact with their representatives and/or specialists has been done on our own behalf, only with the mention of Peercoin as the starter/backbone of the project.

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Ok, I have some more questions…

1. So Tesla is not doing the installation of Peerboxes themselves. What is the process for making this happen then? If I own a Tesla vehicle, or am waiting for one, how exactly would I be informed about this optional upgrade and who exactly would install it and where? Peerbox is just a program, so can it just be loaded into the car’s computer via a software update or would people need to take it to somebody or would it need to be installed at the manufacturer? The same goes with the Supercharger and Powerwall. What exactly is the process for informing customers of this optional upgrade and how does it get installed?

2. If Peerbox is so vital to your business model here, then why is it that you haven’t even contacted the creator of Peerbox? Peerchemist says that he has had no contact with anyone. You would think an organization so interested in Peerbox would have already talked with the main developer and asked questions or even provided funding to continue its development. How do you even know you can trust Peerbox? Has the program itself been analyzed by your organization and deemed secure?

I was going to ask how a moving vehicle would be able to achieve a constant internet connection so it can mint Peercoins, but then I noticed this article…

http://www.wired.com/2014/02/teslas-air-fix-best-example-yet-internet-things/

It sounds simple enough to me. They’re installing Peerbox software in different products: vehicles, superchargers and powerwalls. This would help expand the Peercoin network and create more full nodes. It would also connect two emerging markets with each other (Tesla & Peercoin).

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[quote=“Sentinelrv, post:38, topic:3573”]Ok, I have some more questions…

1. So Tesla is not doing the installation of Peerboxes themselves. What is the process for making this happen then? If I own a Tesla vehicle, or am waiting for one, how exactly would I be informed about this optional upgrade and who exactly would install it and where? Peerbox is just a program, so can it just be loaded into the car’s computer via a software update or would people need to take it to somebody or would it need to be installed at the manufacturer? The same goes with the Supercharger and Powerwall. What exactly is the process for informing customers of this optional upgrade and how does it get installed?

2. If Peerbox is so vital to your business model here, then why is it that you haven’t even contacted the creator of Peerbox? Peerchemist says that he has had no contact with anyone. You would think an organization so interested in Peerbox would have already talked with the main developer and asked questions or even provided funding to continue its development. How do you even know you can trust Peerbox? Has the program itself been analyzed by your organization and deemed secure?

I was going to ask how a moving vehicle would be able to achieve a constant internet connection so it can mint Peercoins, but then I noticed this article…

http://www.wired.com/2014/02/teslas-air-fix-best-example-yet-internet-things/

It sounds simple enough to me. They’re installing Peerbox software in different products: vehicles, superchargers and powerwalls. This would help expand the Peercoin network and create more full nodes. It would also connect two emerging markets with each other (Tesla & Peercoin).[/quote]

  1. To add to this I am interested if the Tesla customers who come to you to install a peerbox in their system, is the peerbox going to come with a set pre-installed amount of peercoins ready to mint? or do they have to buy and move them to the peerbox wallet themselves? or can they buy an empty node or different quantities of PPC from your company as a package option?

  2. How interconnected is the peerbox to the Tesla product? Tesla cars have a display board, i assume the powerwalls the same, is the peerbox stats and info going to be displayed through that or is it a separate display device required to inform when peerbox has minted a block.

[member=30983]peerchemist[/member] What is the current state of Peerbox regarding minting as a full node? Last I remember you were advising not to mint on Peerbox, or to do so at your own risk, but if I am honest it has been a while since I followed up on Peerbox current development state.

Just to clarify, I have emailed the contact RobertLoyd was speaking to, re-reading the thread and emails it seems that Tesla are talking about the rumour of accepting Peercoins as payment for Tesla products which we all know is not true anyway, and have not actually commented or stated any talks with Geoff/Alloy as a third party offering additional products to Tesla customers. Alloy has stated he does not work for Tesla and that he comes from the peercoin community (member here since 2013) and has had meetings with Tesla representatives etc.

Agreed I was a bit taken back by the initial statement “Peercoin has chosen Tesla” as it does come across as if Alloy is speaking as a representative on behalf of the Peercoin community which can be seen as true as long time member, early investor etc but I would refrain from such strong language and promote your new company name as the statement makes it look likie we have selected and voted for you or something, so maybe a rewording is required here, we are all representing Peercoin and each have a voice showing the thoughts of the community members each time someone posts on here. I feel we should be welcoming to new business and ideas of intergration with Peercoin and related products so before dismissing something and attacking someone in a post please think how your actions may harm new investors in Peercoin if the community is hostile and unconstructive in discussion to help iron out issues or hurdles to overcome that may have not been thought of. Agreed we need to be careful of scams and false accusations so do some research etc, hence my follow up emails with Tesla.

Side note: [member=28547]Alloy[/member] there is an option under Profile > Modify Profile > Buddies/Ignore List > Edit Ignore List

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